i mean, sure, that argument is valid...in that context. the fact is, i7 clock for clock is faster than C2D in 1M and can reach high enough clocks to beat the fastest C2Ds out there. again, your take on it isn't off at all, but who was talking about which architecture has a higher percentage of CPUs that can clock in the 9 second range :biggrin:I know i7 beats Core2 at 1M..clock for clock. And yes, there are a some i7's that have clocked well into the 5's... but that takes phase or better, and 5-5.2GHz E8600's don't need phase/LN2... yet are good for 8.9-9.1 sec's. i7 will hit the 8's but not as easily. There are a lot more E8600's in the 8's than i7's(yes i know i7 is newer). That's my take on it anyway...do you think i'm that far off the mark?