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Tanks, tank and more tanks!

Marzipan

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All things being equal, gas is better at heating up the water tank in terms of time. But it is still a finite resource that we will eventually run out of.

One would hope that technology in the near future will solve this with better electric water tanks. AS well, costs will be negligible for myself and the family once the Solar is up along with a few other things. So operational costs at least for me should be net zero.

Not that I have a problem with gas, but I have a problem with the constant reliance on finitie resources as a whole.

We will run out, and the sooner we stop pretending that is not true the better off we will be.

-ST

PS - I own my Water Heater. Bought it outright as soon as we pruchased the house because the less I pay monthly as a OPEX Cost the better off I am.
it's obvious that water tanks should be using hydrogen to heat themselves. how that's not a thing yet boggles me. :p
 

JD

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Here in Orillia we produce all our power and 80-90% is hydro but the other 10-20% is natural gas turbines from what I have been told
(I am not 100% sure, just what I have been told).
This is always a handy site: https://live.gridwatch.ca/home-page.html, while it's for the entire province, majority of power is from nuclear here. But gas usage has been creeping up I think.

I hate that Canada has gotten rid of several tax bonus for solar and batteries
Is it federal or provincial? The current Ontario government seems very much against renewables and cancelled solar/wind projects, EV credits, etc. They also rolled back the building code changes that required EV chargers in all new homes. We are building NG generation facilities instead!

Last year the federal level had the "Greener Homes Grant" and the $40k interest free loans. Enbridge in Ontario was offering rebates too. I don't recall any provincial grants though since Ford has been in office. We used the Enbridge program to insulate our walls and replace some windows and doors.
 

gingerbee

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I believe it's all Ford but I don't know, I know most of our power is nuclear and hydro in Ontario, and Orillia is mainly hydro with our 6 hydro generating stations
 

clshades

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All things being equal, gas is better at heating up the water tank in terms of time. But it is still a finite resource that we will eventually run out of.

One would hope that technology in the near future will solve this with better electric water tanks. AS well, costs will be negligible for myself and the family once the Solar is up along with a few other things. So operational costs at least for me should be net zero.

Not that I have a problem with gas, but I have a problem with the constant reliance on finitie resources as a whole.

We will run out, and the sooner we stop pretending that is not true the better off we will be.

-ST

PS - I own my Water Heater. Bought it outright as soon as we pruchased the house because the less I pay monthly as a OPEX Cost the better off I am.
A gas crater in the Turkmenistan desert known as the "Gates of Hell" has been blazing for more than fifty years. The Darvaza gas crater is another name for it, and it was named after a nearby village.

It's an interesting read. The idea was let's lite it up and hopefully it burns out so we can use this space or something... Total fail.

We have hundreds of years of natural gas. In fact they have figured out that these resources replenish given the chance. When we slip into another ice age or something similar we are gonna kill each other for gas heating. HE appliances should have been pushed more than electric stuff imo. 3-5% waste is fuck all. We are basically turning gas into water. As a heating tech I just don't have a good feeling about the electric everything plan. Canada is NOT the problem on this planet, China is.

Fact: The Athabasca river is cleaner now from harvesting the oil around it than it was a 100 years ago.
 
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gingerbee

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I am a strong believer in using fossil fuel in the smartest way we can including using it to allow us to develop alternative energy sources and using those where the best application of that form of energy will work, like Edison Motors in BC building hybrid diesel trucks, solar for our house's, electric car where they work best, so forth and so on, people thinking we can just switch to all-electric for everything and somehow have it work out I think are just dead wrong, would/could me and the wife be happy with an E-car for sure if we had a heated garage, but I think we're very far off of transport trucks/train/air planes being anything but diesel/ave gas, but I also think we can focus on using as little amounts of fossil fuels as we can because it is a finite resource, hence why I want to use gas for my heating water/air for my home.

I have even been looking at tri/dual-fuel generators, using what is the most effective for the job well using as little of it as possible no matter the energy source.

I agree with many of the directions we are heading but thinking we are just going to stop fossil fuels in the next few years is silly IMHO, I also think we need to upgrade our nuclear plants and build more of them a lot more of them but fossil fuels I believe will still have a place in our future and would love to see a carbon capture recycling back into a fuel source.

But we are way off-topic at this point lol.
 
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clshades

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I am a strong believer in using fossil fuel in the smartest way we can including using it to allow us to develop alternative energy sources and using those where the best application of that form of energy will work, like Edison Motors in BC building hybrid diesel trucks, solar for our house's, electric car where they work best, so forth and so on, people thinking we can just switch to all-electric for everything and somehow have it work out I think are just dead wrong, would/could me and the wife be happy with an E-car for sure if we had a heated garage, but I think we're very far off of transport trucks/train/air planes being anything but diesel/ave gas, but I also think we can focus on using as little amounts of fossil fuels as we can because it is a finite resource, hence why I want to use gas for my heating water/air for my home.

I have even been looking at tri/dual-fuel generators, using what is the most effective for the job well using as little of it as possible no matter the energy source.

I agree with many of the directions were heading but thinking we are just going to stop fossil fuels in the next few years is silly IMHO, I also think we need to upgrade our nuclear plants and build more of them a lot more of them but fossil fuels I believe will still have there a place in our future and would love to see a carbon capture recycling back into a fuel source.

But we are way off topic at this point lol.

I really believe the Tesla solar roof is the future. If everyone had these roofs installed we wouldn't be having power issues. I'm disappointed that it's not gained traction in Canada. Combine a tax relief or interest free loan to make the conversion and I'd be all over it.

My neighbour electrician was quoted 80k for a solar roof (panels) it would never pay itself off.
 

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