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Tesla Truck ??? what do people think

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If more people are using electricity to drive are we not just going to require more electricity from these non-renewable resource electricity sources?
Yeah, I think that's the biggest issue. If everyone does switch to EV, we surely don't have enough electricity for that. Chances are power companies will turn to coal since it's the cheapest and quickest to build. Isn't that what China has done?

Though the other aspect is all the lithium needed to make these batteries currently. There isn't much of that either, so the focus really needs to be on innovative power storage to sustain this too. I believe there's been some advancements in solid-state batteries, but nothing proven yet.
 

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Yeah, I think that's the biggest issue. If everyone does switch to EV, we surely don't have enough electricity for that. Chances are power companies will turn to coal since it's the cheapest and quickest to build. Isn't that what China has done?

Though the other aspect is all the lithium needed to make these batteries currently. There isn't much of that either, so the focus really needs to be on innovative power storage to sustain this too. I believe there's been some advancements in solid-state batteries, but nothing proven yet.
I'd actually suspect NG is a lot easier to build as well. It's been a while since I brushed up on my ASME Section I (Power boilers) and B31.1 (Power Piping) so I'm not as versed on the design differences, but NG can be delivered essentially by branching off from one of the NG pipelines so if you secure a lease anywhere near the canadian mainline you wouldn't have to worry about rail cars, deliveries, etc. Not to mention you don't need to worry about disposal of coal ash which isn't quite nuclear waste dangerous, but is often pretty toxic and has some pretty dangerous components (Arsenic, mercury, other heavy metals, etc).

I think China stuck with coal for some of those plants because they had local sources readily available and cheap whereas China has to import NG to meet their demand. They're NG production is set to rise IIRC, but I can't say I remember the numbers even remotely.
 

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I'd buy it. I think people will get used to it. Current specs say it can go 400km while towing 7500 lbs - pretty goof if true....
 

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I'd buy it. I think people will get used to it. Current specs say it can go 400km while towing 7500 lbs - pretty goof if true....
Tesla's listed specs were unladen ranges, not ranges while towing unless they released extra data.

It can go up to XXXkm and it can tow up to XXXlbs doesn't mean it can do both at the same time.

EDIT: As mentioned previously the Model X was lucky to get 1/3rd normal range while towing, assuming similar efficiency being able to tow 7500lbs only 120km (in the middle of summer because winter range is even worse) Means even on the nicest day I couldn't tow something from Edmonton to Red Deer with that model of the truck. Making it a glorified expensive doorstop. And considering how the price jumps drastically from 40k USD -> 50k USD (67k CAD), and even more for the 3 engine model it becomes a super expensive doorstop. The 3 engine model "might" make that trip.
 
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Tesla's listed specs were unladen ranges, not ranges while towing unless they released extra data.

It can go up to XXXkm and it can tow up to XXXlbs doesn't mean it can do both at the same time.
That's definitely something a few of the Tesla hypers have glossed over. It's great if this thing can tow a flatdeck with two skidsteers on it, but that doesn't mean much if it'll only tow it 25kms (exageration obviously, but until Telsa provides more info it's anyone's guess)
 

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I'm also not liking the design itself, but as others have pointed out it is more of a specs and ev in general issue. Well and the fact that as it stands that so called truck would not even be street legal.

I hate how there are over 200k preorders, those are not preorders, they are people putting $100 down to be cool and to say hey look what I'm going to get. I would be extremely surprised if they actually turn into anywhere near the same number of actual orders. Then there are the 3 different models and how everyone promoting the "truck" talk about its 40k price tag when that one will be next to useless, and the only one with a ok chance at being a truck is the 3 engine one, which is significantly more expensive.

Look I want a EV vehicle, I love the idea of less parts and quieter and the no gas, but there are significant hurdles that people seem to forget about.
  • First, they always talk about plugging it in at home, what about the millions out there that rent? They can't just install chargers like home owners can.
  • The power grid itself is an issue. Just look at California, the EV capital of the world, and think about how their electric grid can't even support them now in the heat of summer. Add another 10 million EVs to it and it will have massive issues. Imagine rolling blackouts when people are trying to charge their cars.
  • As others have said where is that power coming from. Coal is dirty, and widely available. Unfortunately I see it as the main source if we need to up our capacity due to needing more power.
  • Lastly, the batteries themselves. We need some of the tech on solid state batteries that is in labs to pan out. We need improved output and longevity, think 500 miles as a minimum, with faster charging. Maybe if that happens it will help solve the issues stated above and will hopefully get us off of lithium since that generates nasty mines.
So while the EV community and Tesla in general like to talk a big game, there are massive issues with them. I hope they get solved, as then maybe it will be feasible for me to get one, but as of now, it is just not there.
 

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ya but that just means that tesla gets to come out with there own trailer flatbed/boxed version that is lined in the bottom with batteries to increase there range which is just another sale and you know will have plugins for 120/220 volt and airlines.
 

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  • Lastly, the batteries themselves. We need some of the tech on solid state batteries that is in labs to pan out. We need improved output and longevity, think 500 miles as a minimum, with faster charging. Maybe if that happens it will help solve the issues stated above and will hopefully get us off of lithium since that generates nasty mines.
As large jump in battery tech like what ni-cad to lithium based batteries did would make a huge difference.
 

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There are like 20+ "new" battery techs that I have seen popup or seen announcements from over the past 5-10 years all which on paper should greatly beat the overall performance of a li-ion battery. The problem is cost and feasibility to reach market. a $100 AA battery doesn't exactly make sense.
 

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