What is wrong with HCF? Member's and Staff Options Wanted

[ipaine]

Anyways enough about moms, back on topic.

I have read through this entire thread so far and most of what I think has been said in some way or another by others. I will say that I have been a mod before on a different site and it was never an easy job. It feels like balancing on a knifes edge, either you are doing too much or too little. But the key to it is to be united as staff. I know on my site in the past we gave warnings for obvious infractions and direct violations of posted rules. But when it came to forum "fights" that would pop up from time to time we either all had a say or at least backed the decision made. Any temp bans or perm bans were discussed before they were handed out, unless not possible (we had a case of someone threatening another, instant IP ban for that one)

From what I have seen the staff here have done a very good job and I commend them. That said I would not have let some of these things with a few select people go on quite as long. I would have basically told them stop acting like little kids or you will all be gone. As others have stated why this became a forum problem was how the bickering spilled into all sorts of threads, not just off-topic. The second this bickering infringes on the forums as a whole things have to get dealt with.

We do have a very good site and I would like to keep it that way. We all have to make that happen. Post responses that are relevant, do not belittle others, and try to stay on topic. As for grammar, I do think that some people could stand to make more of an effort. I am not a grammar nazi, but I do know that we have access to spell checkers. I do know that English is not every ones first language and that is fine, just try your hardest that is all. I have even seen people mention that their English is not very good; that can go a long way as I will attempt to help them compared to someone who is just not willing to put in the effort to make a proper post.

One thing that I think everyone should do a little more is proof read. Seriously, I will read through this and most likely change some of it before I go and post it. Plus that gives you the time to think to yourself, is this post going to help contribute or is it just pointless? I know I have found myself just deleting what I wrote because it just would not help.

Oh and don't get mad if people disagree or say you are wrong/mistaken about something. We all make mistakes or have misinformation some times. Some of us are very knowledgeable in certain areas and others are not, but we can all give wrong advise at times. Things can move so fast in this industry that sometimes it can be hard to keep up. So if you are wrong about something and someone points it out, don't get mad; accept it and learn from it. Now if you are the person pointing it out, don't be a douche about it. It is not very hard to point out a mistake without being an ass.

Hmm, so that was a lot more than I thought I was going to post, but hey once on a roll, might as well keep going. All in all this is a great site with a great volume of information and helpful, knowledgeable people. Lets put this childish behavior behind us and learn from it. I want to read more posts about builds, cases, video cards, displays, mobos, ram, SSDs, and everything else, just not mud slinging contests.

 

[encorp]

The train that is this thread is sooooo far off it's rails it's currently rocketing into the sun. That's what we're good at.

I know other things YOU are good at, you big boy, you

 

[mattlef]

The FIST side of things? Hahahahaha

Sorry, given what this thread is about - that's the wrong typo to make.. Pereniums mom may like fisting but I'm not sure if it's appropriate to discuss here.

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[Zero82z]

Just FYI, your 'Posts Per Day' count is double Dangtx's. Given that elevated number, should the moderators go through your post history to ensure that everything you post is useful, specific, accurate information? No, and they never will. We are not going to open Pandora's box of having to evaluate the content quality of posts. If the posts are within the rules that we have already outlined, that's all we care about.

I will put the quality of my posts against the quality of his any day. Like I have explicitly said multiple times, the problem isn't the quality or quantity of posts, it's the combination of both. I may post a lot, but most of my posts have useful content.

The fact that you and your buddies are seemingly incapable or unwilling to use the IGNORE feature is simply unacceptable to us.

I refuse to use the ignore feature because I believe that problems should be solved, not ignored.

So 4 of you decided to irritate the crap out of the mods? I would have handed you all warnings too.

Warnings are handed out based on the rules. If no rules are broken, then warnings should not be given out, regardless of how "irritated" the mods are.

You ARE totally right. But someone has to stick up for the right cause here and not give into this group of grouchy, miss guided elder members.

You guys want to know what's wrong with HWC right now?


THE IRC CHANNEL

It's a cesspool of people sitting around in a divisive sub-community from the rest of the forums, plotting, talking, and spreading bullshit propaganda about whatever the people in there feel like talking about.

I know a lot of the members in there are cool people.. but the reason all this bullshit is going on is because all the grumpy ass members get together on IRC and bitch and complain, and then they feel like they've got it right and can bring all their shit back here.

I think Gav should remove all official association with the IRC channel and remove any mention of it from the forums.

Then, if those babies want to bitch and complain - at least it won't be from any possible HWC associated or sanctioned venue.

Ooh, we're plotting and talking in the IRC channel. I honestly doubt that you have the faintest idea about what really goes on in the IRC channel, since I don't remember ever seeing you in it and I have my IRC client logged into it nearly 24/7. However, I invite you to come in any time and see all of the evil conspiracies and propaganda that we are spreading there.

The IRC channel has no official association with HWC at all. It's completely independent from the site.

As regular members, you have no rights to even come up with an answer (I'm looking at you, Zero).

Why are you looking only at me? If I was the only one with this problem then I'd probably have shut my mouth by now, but several other members have expressed the same complaints as I have. It's true that the moderators gave their decision, but it seems like I may not have been so wrong after all, since the infraction system is apparently being changed so that repeated infractions of the sort that dangtx was supposedly getting will actually result in consequences.

 

[encorp]

When IRC was first around - I did log in, and I didn't like what I had seen. While initially a lot of the people in it were people I DO really like, it quickly evolved into an elitist sphere of people; who pretty much talked shit about other members and vented in their own frustrations. The fact of the matter is that you really need to lighten up; if you spend your days discussing who is saying what on a forum I think that the major issue actually lies within you.

I don't want to make this personal and I'm really trying not to; I hope if I slip up you can look passed that and see that what I'm trying to do is relay the reality of the situation to you.

You damn well know what you guys do on that IRC, you stand around and cry to sympathetic ears about all the things you'd change. Well if you want to change something; step up and speak directly to Gav about how you can help. Not taddle tale about people, and generally throw up your arms. I mean Eneberifs childish display of "If this does not change I'm leaving!" was possibly one of the most amazing stunts I've ever witnessed; considering he's probably pissed off more people around here than _dangtx_ ever did.

Listen Zero, people are sick of you and the others complaining. I'm sorry, but you can argue and beat around in your crib all you want. The fact of the matter is it's probably time you learn to keep your tears to yourself OR move on from HWC. The shear truth is: NO ONE cares, not the mods, not me, not anyone else around here about what you actually think in regards to the "quality" of someones posts are. And NO ONE would be all that upset if you were gone. But if _dangtx_ was banned because of his clumsy posts; there would be an uproar. Why? Because really, no one cares - you'll notice most people get along and joke around here - when they don't like a post they just move on. Instead you take this childish side of the fight and try and muscle your way around with a bullshit tale about how you are just doing it for the better of HWC - when in reality; you just can't stand reading his posts and you are scrambling to come up with justifications on why he should be moderated.

The mods are not here to make your internet surfing experience a cohesive pretty little place. They are here to keep the best interests of HWC as a website and a business in tact and the turmoil you've created is FAR more detrimental than it would ever be had you and the other kiddies just kept your mouths shut and just ignored Dan and let him be.

You guys are bullies, you're playground friggin jerks. None of you give a damn about HWC or the business that the operators are trying to run here. This is not a democracy, your opinion does not matter and as it stands right now I think the whole damn place would be better off if you guys just never posted again.

At LEAST this whole uproar would subside and we could all go back to jerking off to the next ATI/NVIDIA cards that come out.

People are done this discussion with you; and you're irritating the living crap out of the staff on this website. Something Dan never even came close to doing.

 

[Zero82z]

Listen Zero, people are sick of you and the others complaining. I'm sorry, but you can argue and beat around in your crib all you want. The fact of the matter is it's probably time you learn to keep your tears to yourself OR move on from HWC. The shear truth is: NO ONE cares, not the mods, not me, not anyone else around here about what you actually think in regards to the "quality" of someones posts are.

Evidently people do care, since this thread does exist, and several other people have agreed with my point of view. This thread was made because Gav wants the opinions of the members, and you're complaining that I'm voicing my opinion.

But if _dangtx_ was banned because of his clumsy posts; there would be an uproar.

Please tell me where I have said that dangtx should be banned.

People are done this discussion with you; and you're irritating the living crap out of the staff on this website. Something Dan never even came close to doing.

By the admission of some staff members themselves, I know for a fact that dangtx does irritate them.

 

[encorp]

Evidently people do care, since this thread does exist, and several other people have agreed with my point of view. This thread was made because Gav wants the opinions of the members, and you're complaining that I'm voicing my opinion.

Please tell me where I have said that dangtx should be banned.

By the admission of some staff members themselves, I know for a fact that dangtx does irritate them.

I don't have to get into it anymore with you dude. You're really of base and its getting no where. I don't think you even have the capacity to understand how many wrong statements you made in your last post.

 

[ipaine]

Well, as a member of this site that generally stays out of stuff like this I will say what I'm sure most people are thinking.

I don't care about the problems with Dangtx, or Zero or anyone else. What is starting to really PISS ME OFF is the constant bickering like what is happening here. Look I don't know what will work here except shut up and sit down. The only reason there is this "problem" is because of the stupid bantering back and forth.

Look I don't like half of what encorp (first name into my head:biggrin or Dangtx, or Zero, or well there are more but the fact is I do not let it ruin my day. If encorp says something that pisses me off or is pointless or whatever I just skip past it, big frikken deal. Grow up and act like you would if you where with the people behind the keyboards, we will all be much happier.

 

[encorp]

Well, as a member of this site that generally stays out of stuff like this I will say what I'm sure most people are thinking.

I don't care about the problems with Dangtx, or Zero or anyone else. What is starting to really PISS ME OFF is the constant bickering like what is happening here. Look I don't know what will work here except shut up and sit down. The only reason there is this "problem" is because of the stupid bantering back and forth.

Look I don't like half of what encorp (first name into my head:biggrin or Dangtx, or Zero, or well there are more but the fact is I do not let it ruin my day. If encorp says something that pisses me off or is pointless or whatever I just skip past it, big frikken deal. Grow up and act like you would if you where with the people behind the keyboards, we will all be much happier.

I agree completely, and this is exactly the point I'm trying to make - in fact the only reason I'm even getting into this is due to THIS specific thread. I've watched these guys irritate the living crap out of the staff and other members more than the people they are complaining about.

In order to contribute to what I think should be done I've stated exactly what I think. Ban Zero and anyone else that keeps this arguments fire going outside of this thread.

 

[Sagath]

Well, as a member of this site that generally stays out of stuff like this I will say what I'm sure most people are thinking.

I don't care about the problems with Dangtx, or Zero or anyone else. What is starting to really PISS ME OFF is the constant bickering like what is happening here. Look I don't know what will work here except shut up and sit down. The only reason there is this "problem" is because of the stupid bantering back and forth.

Look I don't like half of what encorp (first name into my head:biggrin or Dangtx, or Zero, or well there are more but the fact is I do not let it ruin my day. If encorp says something that pisses me off or is pointless or whatever I just skip past it, big frikken deal. Grow up and act like you would if you where with the people behind the keyboards, we will all be much happier.

I'm with this guy. +1. ^^^^ What he said. Post above me. +1 +1.

Now, that aside (which is a joke) this post is pritty much what this thread has degenerated in to.

No one is making statements to analyze the problem, we're just bickering back and forth. A bunch of garbage has been stated minus about 4 posts.


I'll trust the mods. I'm done with this thread, it is going no where.