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US Murder stats why are they so high?

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one question to the greedy ....do coffins have pockets

Pabz0r545 said:
Been away for days. Not going to read all 13 pages. :P USA is the way it is IMO because of the wild west and the way the country started out. They have a ****** UP Mentality, those americans. I know, because come from an american family.

Not to mention they also have more serial killers per capita then anywhere else in the world.

IT's government mind control MK Ultra duh!
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the land is owned by the natives, 1%er's greed is the issue behind gun

serial killers are what....pissed off people... how the world is treating them

with MK of mass media mind rape eg 9/11 to open the bank for USA is broke

for inside trading

i don't see any news station getting the real story here
 
KaptCrunch said:
so the button is pushed while the 1%er's are on the space station, after all the 99%er's are terminated what are they going to do now for money can't buy ? only kill each other

new world order hmmm ask princess diana about sharing the greed

for the old cronies of capitalism had taken her from us
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Wow, the kool-aid is strong in you.
 
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The US pre-Pearl were pretty much NOT on a war footing. Their army was in disarray thanks to budget cuts and the factories were not tooled up for war material. Even the mighty US industry giant took a good 6-9mths to spin up to war footing. IF the Japanese had invaded they would not have been fighting the US mil of 1944. It would have been up to militias to steam the flow until the army got its shit together.

Yammaoto was reported as saying that the only way to beat the US was by dictating terms from gun point AT wsahington DC. The Japanese knew they could beat the preWar US army....but knew it would be suicide. They would have been bled white by every single home owner shooting at their soliders....unitl the US was 'dead'. Killing 150million combatants...is tough and costly. Which in turn would have cost them China. It didnt matter in the end BUT the idea of a 150mil+ strong semi-trained army (shooting is the first stages of training and arguably one of the most important next to standing your ground...something home owners would NOT need to learn).

RPGs and the like would come from Nat Guard armories....that are littered throughout the states. THEN add in all the companies building the war material...and their skilled labour. Syria and the ME dont make any heavy weapons locally. They IMPORT. The states is one of the largest exporters of weapons in the world. :whistle:

THEN add in the fact that you wrongly assume that the half of the army that would desert would simply walk away. You would see entire units - and possibly battalions and bases desert WITH their weapons. A lot of units are very loyal and would refuse unlawful orders. Add in armouries (sure to be plundered before leaving), and the millions of ex-Mil 'retired' peeps and the civil war would be bloody.
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All of that was a dream to the Japanese. In 1940 US military production was far higher than the Japanese and the US had pretty decent technology. The US was gearing up for war before Pearl Harbor. In 1941 US military production for aircraft was higher than Japan and Germany combined. By the time Japan could have landed on US mainland it would have been too late. Japan already lost the war before Pearl Harbor. In 1940 the US still had 1/2 a million in the military.

By the Summer of 1941 the US had 1.4 million men in the military. Before Japan attacked Pearl Harbor there was no chance for Japan to take mainland US. Not to mention if Japanese forces landed on mainland US there would be a lot of people joining the military. At the end of world war 2 the US had over 12 million in the military.

Finally you didn't fully read my post. I said if the military doesn't split civilian guns are no match so therefor it is not a valid argument to say you need assault weapons to defend against the government or foreign invaders.
 
Yes I read your whole "IF" argument and ignored it after the second time you brought it up and me and others had already showed it to be BS. Poseidon rising from the waves and smiting the US is as likely as ANY military staying intact if things got that bad. Even in Syria the military did not stay cohesive. Thinking most professionals who are drilled on Duty - Honour - God - Country (in that order) will suddenly forget their duty to fight enemies 'Foreign AND Domestic' is a pipe dream that ignorant lefties like to trot out as 'prof' than banning X or Y or Z makes sense.

You honestly want to believe that a professional military is an unstoppable force. Thank god the US founding fathers were more grounded in reality that you are....or there would not be a US. :ph34r:

You also conveniently ignore most of the arguments others -as well as myself - have made in favour of LESS idiotic gun control rules. I personally think that if a person can pass the proper background checks, have proven to have done the proper training courses and has no history of mental health problems... then why should they not be allowed to own dangerous devices? Most tools are dangerous and THIS level of rules and regs is much greater than needed for nearly any other modern tool.

It honestly never ceases to amaze me the dissociative thinking the average lefty has to undergo to come to their POV on some issues. The term Assault Weapon itself is a BS 'scary' term meant to make the ignorant masses think of machine guns and the like. You do realize that even a single barrel shotgun was banned under the originals AW ban in the US? ANY firearm can be labeled an 'assault weapon' and be banned via gov decree. Here in Canada it happens ALL THE TIME even BB guns get banned and confiscated. Hell people have even posted pictures to prove this point to people ignorant of the laws....yet somehow a label is more important than reality to lefties.

Ignorant people are ignorant I guess.
 
No matter what reasons you can come up with I'd still prefer people don't have access to fire arms. I know people, and I'd prefer they didn't have spoons let alone fire arms. Currently working at a men's homeless shelter I can honestly say if our gun control was like it is in some states we would probably have atleast one incident of gun violence a month. It wouldn't be a legally obtained fire arm but the abundance of firearms would increase the amount of unlawful possession. Right now if there is a gun at my work it would probably have been smuggled across then boarder then stolen off of a Hell's Angel's member which is fairly unlikely.

I personally am safer due to Canada's stricter gun control. When you are exposed on a daily basis to the drug culture, ex-inmates and general low lifes. Having weapons around sounds like a horrible idea. Yes, everybody has their already has their blade which is bad enough, guns take it to a new level. And civil revolution sounds just silly when the day to day life on the streets is already a serious battle.
 
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No you are personally more safer thanks to - in no particular order - A) a social safety net that works better than the states B) National health care system and C) an education system that is not completely broken (yet). Fewer youth turn to crime thanks to A and C. Fewer nuts dont get the help they NEED thanks to B.

You said it yourself. Criminals who want guns...get them. If you ban them you suddenly make them forbidden fruit and everyone will want them. What is needed is education w/ checks and blanaces. Pre C68 we had a pretty damn good set of rules. Now they are broken and only getting worse.

To put this another way has banning "underage" smoking and drinking worked...or is it the EDUCATION of the down sides that have worked? Make them just another tool that is not all that special (to most) BUT respected and you would be safer still.
 
I will say the social safety nets do us all much more good than we take for granted. Many clients get their drugs using welfare money and personal needs allowance(PNA) which drops theft and robbery rates more than most people realize. In the states were they are given food cards with restrictions instead of cash, addicts resort to crime for their fix.
 
jibz said:
No matter what reasons you can come up with I'd still prefer people don't have access to fire arms. I know people, and I'd prefer they didn't have spoons let alone fire arms. Currently working at a men's homeless shelter I can honestly say if our gun control was like it is in some states we would probably have atleast one incident of gun violence a month. It wouldn't be a legally obtained fire arm but the abundance of firearms would increase the amount of unlawful possession. Right now if there is a gun at my work it would probably have been smuggled across then boarder then stolen off of a Hell's Angel's member which is fairly unlikely.

I personally am safer due to Canada's stricter gun control. When you are exposed on a daily basis to the drug culture, ex-inmates and general low lifes. Having weapons around sounds like a horrible idea. Yes, everybody has their already has their blade which is bad enough, guns take it to a new level. And civil revolution sounds just silly when the day to day life on the streets is already a serious battle.
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Uh, what? Stolen off a Hells Angel? Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Some low level worker of that HA member would be more than willing to sell you a gun. Homeless people tend not to have guns as they can be easily sold for a decent amount of money. It's not a big problem in the USA either and you're just catastrophizing what happens when guns are available. They are widely available on the street in Canada. Same thing all the anti-gun people predicted in the USA with CCW and it never happened.

Personally I would not work in your environment without a gun but I guess that's up to you.
 
sits back and munches popcorn... The choice people make is their own... and they will come up with excuses for those choices... I hunt.. but dont carry semi or whatever.. i use basic weapons for moose, deer and ducks.. Most heavy weapons should be banned to the general public... there is no real purpose for them other than to give someone a rush and woody over how big over their boomsticks are... Moose and other game last time i checked do not wear Kevlar... or body armor..
 
genie out of the bottle

The question is what people intend to do with these rifles: do they envision fighting the government? Do they envision that the government will collapse and they'll need to defend themselves? or just feed the family then capitalism dies or 1%er's afraid of over thrown like JFK .....let the gun speak
 
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