Chilly if the pci-e bandwidth isn't saturated with the current gpu's do it really make a difference if its high end or mid-range gpu's? I'm not trying to be a ass I just really don't know what difference it'll make....please explain.
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Chilly if the pci-e bandwidth isn't saturated with the current gpu's do it really make a difference if its high end or mid-range gpu's? I'm not trying to be a ass I just really don't know what difference it'll make....please explain.
Who knows what 58xx and 3xx series will do to that bandwith. *shrug*
I think, generally speaking, any of the comparisons between P55/X58 are moot. Sure, its BS that intel is screwing people with the socket changes and differences, but regardless of that i7 architecture is i7 architecture. We'll know in a matter of days if intel changed anything with the P55 version of i7 that actually gives a performance difference.
Why dont we all just take a big, deep breath and wait a few more days instead of spreading rampant speculation?
Fry's were selling CPU's and boards one day last week plus all the Asian stuff so benchmarks are out there.
But it is what it is.
I just wish my SSD and memory would get here so I could get this thing up and running.
But it is what it is.
I just wish my SSD and memory would get here so I could get this thing up and running.
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I'm speaking simply of fact, I already know full well what Intel did with the P55 "chipset" compared to the X58 chipset. I can make comparisions all I want as the facts are already out there. Interesting fact, if you have a X58 based system, you already pretty much have a P55 chip in your system.
*NOTE - NONE OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO LINES DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT EFFECT PURE CPU-ONLY PERFORMANCE* - Its quite possible for *JUST* the CPU, in CPU ONLY intensive programs on LGA1156 to outperform an LGA1366 CPU at stock settings. I just want to make that fact clear before I go ahead and make comparisons.
P55/LGA1156 - Hardwired PCIe 2.0 x16 lanes(can be spilt into 8x/8x or 8x/4x/4x) + 1 DMI link in the CPU, hardwired x16+DMI link provides total bandwidth of 8-9GB/s between CPU and the rest of the system(GPU's, etc), P55 "chipset"(more like southbridge) connected via DMI link which is the equivelent of a PCIe 1.0 4x link, P55 provides an additional PCIe 1.1 x6 lanes, Memory and other Northbridge functions integrated into CPU - P55 is the SAME, yes you read this correctly, the SAME chip used as the southbridge in the X58 platform, contains the ICH10R.
X58/LGA1366 - 1 QPI link in SP systems(i7), 2 QPI links in DP systems(Xeon), each 1 QPI link provides total bandwidth of 19-25GB/s between CPU and the rest of the system(GPU's, etc), X58 chipset connected via 1 link QPI link per CPU, X58 chipset provides PCIe 2.0 x40 lanes(can be split in any way wanted/needed) + 1 DMI link, Memory and *most*(but not all) Northbridge functions integrated into CPU, connected to P55 via DMI(yes, you read that correctly) to provide southbridge functions, read above for more info on P55.
Thats the pure facts, fair and simple, in single GPU, and dual mid-level GPU set ups? A P55 system will rarely limit you, anything fancier(PCIe RAID cards, Dual/CFX/SLi High-End GPU set ups, etc) and you'll be wishing for the extra breathing room in the X58 chipset. Hell, for some extreme set ups, EVEN the bandwidth provided by X58 is limiting!
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get em chilly ha ha .
Well said Chilly. :biggrin:
I really was making my statement general about the speculation. By no means was I disagreeing with you, thats why I quoted Robc and not you. Everyone is bemoaning X58 or P55, and it really is moot right now. But you (Chilly) are 100% correct. Take a SLI setup, and put 4 SSD's in RAID on a P55 and watch your motherboard throw a hissy-fit :haha:. I'm still smiling about the fact that motherboards are the new bottlenecks in the computer world. Thank you SSD's!
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Oh. And I think I mentioned this before, but I'll say it again; Those of us with X58's are using them TODAY. For pritty much the same price you're going to pay TOMORROW for a P55. :thumb:
I really was making my statement general about the speculation. By no means was I disagreeing with you, thats why I quoted Robc and not you. Everyone is bemoaning X58 or P55, and it really is moot right now. But you (Chilly) are 100% correct. Take a SLI setup, and put 4 SSD's in RAID on a P55 and watch your motherboard throw a hissy-fit :haha:. I'm still smiling about the fact that motherboards are the new bottlenecks in the computer world. Thank you SSD's!
unk:Oh. And I think I mentioned this before, but I'll say it again; Those of us with X58's are using them TODAY. For pritty much the same price you're going to pay TOMORROW for a P55. :thumb:
Meh, still don't see the point in upgrading from my C2Q. Doesn't do anything significant speed wise IMO.
And well I don't really do anything memory/CPU intensive either, nor do I run multi-GPUs or SSDs. I'm just a gamer, nothing more :bleh:
Maybe when it falls to like a $500 upgrade for CPU, RAM, Motherboard, I'll do it just to do it, but I'm definitely not spending close to $1k to do it (I wouldn't want to buy the low-end stuff).
And well I don't really do anything memory/CPU intensive either, nor do I run multi-GPUs or SSDs. I'm just a gamer, nothing more :bleh:
Maybe when it falls to like a $500 upgrade for CPU, RAM, Motherboard, I'll do it just to do it, but I'm definitely not spending close to $1k to do it (I wouldn't want to buy the low-end stuff).
Well said Chilly. :biggrin:
I really was making my statement general about the speculation. By no means was I disagreeing with you, thats why I quoted Robc and not you. Everyone is bemoaning X58 or P55, and it really is moot right now. But you (Chilly) are 100% correct. Take a SLI setup, and put 4 SSD's in RAID on a P55 and watch your motherboard throw a hissy-fit :haha:. I'm still smiling about the fact that motherboards are the new bottlenecks in the computer world. Thank you SSD's!
Oh. And I think I mentioned this before, but I'll say it again; Those of us with X58's are using them TODAY. For pritty much the same price you're going to pay TOMORROW for a P55. :thumb:
Oh i'm not sorry about my X58 i7 purchase except for the fact i shoulda went D0, though C0/C1 is still treating me nice at 3.8GHz and stock CM Hyper 212. I planned for tomorrow, the P55s don't seem to be engineered as "planning for tomorrow when "bigger" and "badder" stuff (GPUs, SSDs) come out" compared to the X58s.
What Sagath ? I think I was pretty clear, I honestly didn't know ..... thats why I asked the question. That commit seemed alittle suckholeish.
I'm all for sli but on average what percentage on people do you think are using 4 SSD's....Christ I got a good job and it broke my heart to buy 1 at todays prices. Chances are I'll upgrade again before I own 4...unfortunately.
Its probably marketing bs but Asus are using the Marvell 9123 SATA 6G chip on the P7P55D Deluxe to limit the bottleneck.
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