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Intel bungles big time!

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MARSTG said:
Caldezar, are you reading this? Still squealing with joy?
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Never squeeling for joy, but just glad that the timing for migrating away from Intel worked out well. And, the second exploit fix shouldn't impact performance, as far as I understand.

My biggest thing here is that it feels like a bit of justice is being dolled out to Intel if this is indeed something they've known about for a long time. They've had some super shady business practices for a long time. And hopefully the fixes put in place only effect Intel, rather than a blanket patch. Even for Intel fans, that would be the best solution for the market in the long term as it would further balance the current scales and force even more competitive innovation in the CPU market.
 
As more info leaks out, it seems that setting ones on hair on fire is a bad idea.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/meltdown-spectre-exploits-intel-amd-arm-nvidia,36219.html

A few take aways from within the article.

Meltdown is both easy to execute and easy to fix.

The Spectre exploit is much more nefarious and impacts Intel, AMD, and ARM.

These two exploits are categorized into three variants. Variants 1 and 2 are Spectre, whereas Variant 3 is Meltdown. Intel is vulnerable to all three.

While this is still of a serious nature, the Internet has a way of blowing this up into an Intel vs AMD thing, when really everyone is affected.

Remember folks, with Internet information it is best to wait a little while before rushing to judgement. The initial "leak" maybe accurate, but it may not, and it may be leaked for personal reasons that we just don't know. People have some big ass weird axes to grind, and have no problem telling you only part of the story, just to advance their own narrative.
 
I'm annoyed a bit, but it doesn't appear as though it'll make my former AMD setup better than my current setup at gaming, so I am not too upset.
 
chrisk said:
The AMD fans are gloating a bit because the Meltdown vulnerability patch means a performance hit for Intel cpus only, if I understand properly.

I really hope that the hit on virtualization setups is not too severe. A quick Google search is showing some interesting stuff (Azure setups having serious issues). I'm hoping not to return to a ****show at work.
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Meltdown only affects Intel, and Meltdown is the one where mitgations/patches will cause performance degration. Specture is actually in many ways worse though, while their may not be much of a performance hit from patching it.

What makes these exploits really nefarious? EVERYTHING needs to be recompiled, a patched program can still be exploited by an un-patched program.

As for the Virtualization side of things, its a mixed bag. Xen HVM and PVHVM are not affected, but PV, KVM, HyperV, ESXi and etc are affected, BUT GCP/Azure/AWS are either already fully patched, or will be fully patched by this weekend's end, meaning only guest VMs internally are affected, but can't exploit each other.
 
Bao said:
I'm annoyed a bit, but it doesn't appear as though it'll make my former AMD setup better than my current setup at gaming, so I am not too upset.
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Appears its mostly latency IO bounded applications which are being affected - anything with large storage or IO needs, like SQL databases, SANs, etc and such.

Games, despite what people might think are not latency IO bounded. It looks to be no real performance impact from a gaming perspective.
 
And the usual suspects start to clime from the slime to make a buck as the "class action lawsuits" are starting to roll in. Someone should point out that Intel has a program called a bug bounty, and that it was used in this case. When you go to the website that they people who found these exploits created you will find that they acknowledge that Intel has cooperated with them, and paid the bug bounty. And that the search for these exploits is funded by grants to Universities from governments. Jesus folks, we want this stuff to happen, so that they can be fixed before the really bad people exploit them. The crowing and garbage that happens when something like this happens just makes me shake my head at the power of the Internet to turn something into garbage at the drop of an malformed tweet.
 
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Dwayne said:
And the usual suspects start to clime from the slime to make a buck as the "class action lawsuits" are starting to roll in. Someone should point out that Intel has a program called a bug bounty, and that it was used in this case. When you go to the website that they people who found these exploits created you will find that they acknowledge that Intel has cooperated with them, and paid the bug bounty. And that the search for these exploits is funded by grants to Universities from governments. Jesus folks, we want this stuff to happen, so that they can be fixed before the really bad people exploit them. The crowing and garbage that happens when something like this happens just makes me shake my head at the power of the Internet to turn something into garbage at the drop of an malformed tweet.
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Are you really surprised though? Americans like to sue. After all, the fastest and laziest way to make money is to try to take it from someone else that's done all the work. Hell, some of the most popular television is just people suing other people...
 
Caldezar said:
Are you really surprised though? Americans like to sue. After all, the fastest and laziest way to make money is to try to take it from someone else that's done all the work. Hell, some of the most popular television is just people suing other people...
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Sadly I am not surprised. I think it has to do with the expectation of a huge payout, for the lawyers of course, that the courts have created by allowing some of the flimsiest garbage to pass through. If I was on the receiving end I could see how these things get settled out of court as the process is the punishment though. The cost of fighting something like this becomes higher than the cost to just throw a lesser sum of money at it, regardless of the possibility of winning. Perhaps if there was some restitution for the company, like if they win the litigants have to pay for the companies legal costs, then there would be some deliberation before a rush to bring suit. I know that companies can counter sue individuals, but in these class action suits I am not sure how that could work.

Anyway, I have a low regard for the legal "profession" due to many of these money seeking actions.
 
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