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nVidia RTX - can you live without it?

I am one of those with the dual 1080ti setups and love it, but I also only upgrade once every couple generations so that lets me save a bit more. Here is the thing with pricing, what would you as Nvidia want, sell (yes these are completely made up numbers to make a point) 100,000 2080ti's @$1200 or sell 200,000 at @$800? The second one is 40 million more and is what they should be doing. But they aren't and instead are going to cost themselves sales. And while we all expect some small increases due to inflation, but seeing the 2080ti go for $1650 here in Canada, is crazy considering I paid $950 for my 1080ti's. We are looking at about $700 increase. And please don't anyone tell me that the 2070 is really the 2080 and the 2080 is really the ti and the ti is really the new Titan, cause the is just an excuse to try to find some sort of justification to the huge price increase. A 174% increase here.

I have seen the "maybe X should sell their product for less, and make up more money based on higher sales volumes" argument many times. Apple products come to mind, overpriced for the same tech, but with a proprietary OS and a walled garden of apps that must follow strict Apple protocols.

Maybe NVidia wants to sell 200,00 at $1200... and who is to say they are wrong. Maybe they sell 300,000 at $1200, you never know. You can be sure that the company set a price they thought they could get, based on the market as it is right now. Like any new release, cards start at above MSRP, move to MSRP, then actually sell for below MSRP. But the initial offering price is based on what the market will bear, and what is available at the time.

I also imagine that pricing has more to do with fabrication costs, parts cost, and market competition. New DDR6 VRAM costs more than the DDR5 and 5X. Who knows what kinds of yields they are getting on their dies on the initial runs at the fabs. And even with that, the cost of R&D is always factored into sales to recoup the years of costs related to advancing technology when something new is introduced.

No doubt as paying customers we all want the lowest price that we can get, but that isn't happening so c'est la vie. Lets face it, most people are pissed at the prices because in the end they are going to want one of these, and paying a premium price will suck. I know that I have some money tucked away, and was hoping to purchase a Ti this time around. Now, I am not sure that will be the case. I could afford to if I really wanted to, but I am choking on that price too. Even at the $1000 MSRP for partner cards, when they come down, is higher than I had expected or hoped.

But like I said, they are competing with themselves at that level. AMD has nothing to compete with the 1080 Ti right now, the Vega 64 is in 1080 territory, and costs more than a 1080. Disregarding the raytracing and tensor cores, I am expecting to see a 2070 perform better than the Vega 64, and still cost less.
 
I was prepared to sell my 1080 Ti and drop $1000 CAD or less on a 2080 Ti. I am not going to spend $1800 CAD no f-ing way. Only diehard fanboys will do this. I was a fanboy of Nvidia but now I am hoping AMD competes and I am strongly thinking of switching sides. I haven't bought an AMD graphics card since the ATI 3870 days.
 
I was prepared to sell my 1080 Ti and drop $1000 CAD or less on a 2080 Ti. I am not going to spend $1800 CAD no f-ing way. Only diehard fanboys will do this. I was a fanboy of Nvidia but now I am hoping AMD competes and I am strongly thinking of switching sides. I haven't bought an AMD graphics card since the ATI 3870 days.

I used to buy just ATI/AMD gpu's. But since AMD haven't had a tlreally great higher end cards. I bought the GTX 1080. Which replaced my HD7950. I really hope that AMD get back at being competitive with Nvidia on the high end GPU market again soon as well.
 
I tied myself to an expensive G-Sync monitor, which is great, but unless something changes with G-Sync support I'll be with NVIDIA for a good while yet. However I'll be sticking with my 1080Ti, likely until people start selling 2080Tis used ;)
 
Even if the performance matches the absurd price i’ll just sit out this round of GPUs like I have HDDs since the big floods that hiked them up in price way back when and memory since they got hiked up past $80-100 for 16GB of DDR3.

In other words i’ll just find another hobby :blarg: ...


[edit] Day 12,607 without nVidia Ray Tracing. Status - Still Alive. [/Edit]
 
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But like I said, they are competing with themselves at that level. AMD has nothing to compete with the 1080 Ti right now, the Vega 64 is in 1080 territory, and costs more than a 1080. Disregarding the raytracing and tensor cores, I am expecting to see a 2070 perform better than the Vega 64, and still cost less.

Not currently and that's not excusing the $600+ asking price of 1080's in the new market currently.
 
Not currently and that's not excusing the $600+ asking price of 1080's in the new market currently.

Show me the cheapest Vega 64 you can find then. Using PC Part picker all I can see is a $750 CDN Vega 64. Using US PC Part Picker the cheapest Vega 64 is $544.99 USD. The cheapest 1080 is $429.99.


The market is what it is. 20xx cards will be high to help sell off the remaining 10xx cards, I would guess. When your high end competition is only your own products, I guess you can do that.
 
Show me the cheapest Vega 64 you can find then. Using PC Part picker all I can see is a $750 CDN Vega 64. Using US PC Part Picker the cheapest Vega 64 is $544.99 USD. The cheapest 1080 is $429.99.


The market is what it is. 20xx cards will be high to help sell off the remaining 10xx cards, I would guess. When your high end competition is only your own products, I guess you can do that.

I wasn't talking about brand new. Since you brought it up I could go across the border easily and get either a Vega 64 at less than MSRP or MSRP or a second hand 1080.

It doesn't matter how enthusiastic the CEO was. This is Fermi Redux in 2018 especially with the "official performance graphs". What ever happened to ever decreasing TDP. We are back to high TDP because Nvidia can't make the most out of it on 12nm die shrink.
 

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