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Toronto Maple Leafs...

Will the Leafs have any room for any of those guys next year? Look at their current roster and their contracts. Not too many UFAs. Only Crabb and Gustavsson. And already Burke is gonna have to do something to get under the cap because of Grabovski"s new contract. Burke wasted too much money on Komisarek, Connolly and Armstrong. And Schenn makes a lot of $$$ for a guy who gets scratched. Burke and the Leafs are in trouble next year.

I'm not saying Murray and the Sens are better. But I think that Murray and his staff have spent their $$$ better. Way better.
 
I think that the Sens will be shelling out a few bucks on their RFAs next year. The Leafs don't need to blow anything up, they need to tinker. Trade a few bits away to find a goalie to mentor/play with Reimer or sign a UFA, though as I said the numbers are thin there. Most of the AHL players are under contract already, and they will be low numbers in comparison so the cap hit will be small.

As for the jab at Schenn, I expect that Carlyle will get the defence playing defence again and not trying to run and gun. Once that happens Schenn and company will be much better as they will stop making mental mistakes in transitioning the offence and will just play defence. Wilson had them jumping up and trying too hard to generate offence and Schenn is not that player.

With the RFAs factored out and the two UFAs out the Leafs have over 6 Mil in cap space for 6 roster spots. I don't see the trouble you see.

Of course you have a bias as a Sens fan to think that Murray is a genius and Burke is not. I don't see a Stanley Cup on Murray's resume. Nuf said.
 
Dwayne said:
I think that the Sens will be shelling out a few bucks on their RFAs next year. The Leafs don't need to blow anything up, they need to tinker. Trade a few bits away to find a goalie to mentor/play with Reimer or sign a UFA, though as I said the numbers are thin there. Most of the AHL players are under contract already, and they will be low numbers in comparison so the cap hit will be small.

As for the jab at Schenn, I expect that Carlyle will get the defence playing defence again and not trying to run and gun. Once that happens Schenn and company will be much better as they will stop making mental mistakes in transitioning the offence and will just play defence. Wilson had them jumping up and trying too hard to generate offence and Schenn is not that player.

With the RFAs factored out and the two UFAs out the Leafs have over 6 Mil in cap space for 6 roster spots. I don't see the trouble you see.

Of course you have a bias as a Sens fan to think that Murray is a genius and Burke is not. I don't see a Stanley Cup on Murray's resume. Nuf said.
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Burke's ring is really helping him with the Leafs.......4 yrs and no playoffs. Maybe he should hire more assistant gms. 4 is not enough.

Btw, who drafted Perry and Getzlaf ? Murray.
 
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crazyhorsejohnny said:
Burke's ring is really helping him with the Leafs.......4 yrs and no playoffs. Maybe he should hire more assistant gms. 4 is not enough.

Btw, who drafted Perry and Getzlaf ? Murray.
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Thank goodness someone else has done the research for me already on this one:

"THE DRAFT
Bryan Murray watched over three NHL drafts for the Ducks from 2002 through 2004.

*In 2002 Murray drafted Joffrey Lupul in the first round, who would later be traded by Burke.

*In 2003, the deepest 1st round of the modern era, Murray picked twice: Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry. Then in the 8th round, Shane O'Brien was drafted. O'Brien would play 62 regular season games but zero in the playoffs. No other players in that draft are of note.

*In 2004, no player drafted by Murray had anything to do with the cup winning team, which may be expected it being so close to 2006/2007.

Result: Twenty-Five players were drafted by Bryan Murray in Anaheim. Only Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry played a role in the Ducks playoff run.

TRADES AND SIGNINGS
Bryan Murray made 7 trades during his tenure as GM in Anaheim. Here is complete list of players acquired (for full list of players to go the other way, see Murray's wiki page).

Petr Sykora, Mike Commodore,Jean-Francois Damphouse, Igor Pohanka, Sandis Ozolinsh, Lance Ward, Rob Niedermayer, Alexei Ivanov, PetrSchastlivy, Martin Skoula.

Result: Only Rob Niedermayer played a playoff game for the cup winning Ducks.

BRYAN MURRAY SUMMARY
Three years, 10 players added by trade and 25 draft picks, and in the end, of the 28 players who played in at least a game for the Anaheim Ducks in the 2006/2007 playoffs, only 3 of them came from Bryan Murray.

Do we still think that 3 players out of 28 constitutes "architect"?"

Nuff said.
 
Hockey

Every one of these GMs have their brilliant ideas, schemes, and what not. I believe that it's so difficult to assemble a playoff team without a # of quality draft picks who pan out.

How many have gone by the wayside from any team? Too many crazy contracts with less than favourable results.

I'm a Habs/Leafs fan, yeah, good for a laugh,hehe.

For me, I don't care which Canadian team does it, but the bottom line is we need a Canadian team to bring home the cup, period. When playoffs are here, whichever Canadian team is there I'm rooting for.

As for the Leafs, when the moon and the stars line up, all those curses are removed, lols, and when they can actually find someone who can make it happen, then we'll see it.

Imho, when Stan Bowman became available, he should've been the only guy for the job. I think he's won 1 or 2 of those rings, hehe.
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Edit: Aren't we able to dispose of Armstrong and Komisarek after this year? I thought their contracts were done.
 
Dwayne said:
Thank goodness someone else has done the research for me already on this one:

"THE DRAFT
Bryan Murray watched over three NHL drafts for the Ducks from 2002 through 2004.

*In 2002 Murray drafted Joffrey Lupul in the first round, who would later be traded by Burke.

*In 2003, the deepest 1st round of the modern era, Murray picked twice: Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry. Then in the 8th round, Shane O'Brien was drafted. O'Brien would play 62 regular season games but zero in the playoffs. No other players in that draft are of note.

*In 2004, no player drafted by Murray had anything to do with the cup winning team, which may be expected it being so close to 2006/2007.

Result: Twenty-Five players were drafted by Bryan Murray in Anaheim. Only Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry played a role in the Ducks playoff run.

TRADES AND SIGNINGS
Bryan Murray made 7 trades during his tenure as GM in Anaheim. Here is complete list of players acquired (for full list of players to go the other way, see Murray's wiki page).

Petr Sykora, Mike Commodore,Jean-Francois Damphouse, Igor Pohanka, Sandis Ozolinsh, Lance Ward, Rob Niedermayer, Alexei Ivanov, PetrSchastlivy, Martin Skoula.

Result: Only Rob Niedermayer played a playoff game for the cup winning Ducks.

BRYAN MURRAY SUMMARY
Three years, 10 players added by trade and 25 draft picks, and in the end, of the 28 players who played in at least a game for the Anaheim Ducks in the 2006/2007 playoffs, only 3 of them came from Bryan Murray.

Do we still think that 3 players out of 28 constitutes "architect"?"

Nuff said.
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Bud you can say all you want about Burke and winning the Cup. It doesn't change the fact that the Leafs haven't made the playoffs since he became GM 4 yrs ago. And once again this year the Leafs are on the outside looking in even with Kessel and Lupul having career years.

So Burke was a success in Anaheim but so far in Toronto he's failing. Can't win the Cup when you don't make the playoffs.

Nuff said.
 
Can't rebuild a team without players. You have to start somewhere. The farm system has players, they take time to gain experience. You can't teach experience. So, while Burke is in his 4th year he started with next to no assets in the farm system and many contracts that he had no control over. Moving those contracts took some time, and building the farm system takes some time. Honest hockey people know that to blow up a whole system from the bottom up means you don't make the playoffs in year 2, or 3, and I guess not in 4 either. That said, Burke has to say things to the media and the fans to keep them happy. And this season was great, right up to Feb. So, next part of the build starts with Randy Carlyle. Just like next part of the Sens build started with their new coach after Clouston was fired. And as I pointed out, last year's Binghamton team won the Calder Cup, so there is a core or nucleus of players to lean on for the new coach. As a Leaf fan I hope that the Marlies go deep in their playoffs and gain some valuable experience for their players. With the new coach, and perhaps some of the farm hands that are gaining seasoning, next year will be better than this year.

Yup, can't win the Cup if you don't play in the playoffs.

When the Sens win a Cup, let us know, it will be their first (in their latest iteration). The Leafs still have a couple of years before they become the "team that has not been in the playoffs for the longest stretch" as well as the "team that has had the longest stretch between cups". I just hope that Burke stays the course and does not trade the farm for a quick fix just because some braying donkeys in the media demand that "he does something". And if there are other braying donkeys who cheer for other teams demanding that Burke do something, it probably means we should just stand pat and let it ride.

Tonight's game was a better defensive effort for the Leafs. Gus had a good game, and we hit a couple of posts. I would rather see improvement in the defensive area of the game, the goals will come back.

CHJ, enjoy your overachieving Sens, you never know when your team will fall on hard times. I have lived through the Harold Ballard years as a Leaf fan. This is bad, that was worse.
 
TO vs Washington. While a loss isn't the end of the world it is probably the end of the playoff chances. Then Florida and Tampa this week. If the Leafs can sweep these they have a glimmer of hope. Granted, not much hope... I honestly think that Carlyle is getting his feet wet and doesn't expect to make the post season. He would never say as much though, and neither would Burke.
 
Who will score the next Leafs goal ? After 2 shutouts is tonight the night they put at least one in the net ?


Yes !!! Tyler Bozak scores !!!!
 
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