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GeForce RTX 40 Series Annouced

Coach said:
I thought Nvidia has bought more fab for 4000 series than 3000. If that is true then there will be a lot of 4000 series cards. Without crypto mopping up supply Nvidia could be in quite the spot. They are making cards (Ada Lovelace) that apparently cost a lot more to make compared to Ampere. What a ride they may now be on...

edit: oh ya, I was going to mention the state of the economy and how it will potentially create a difficult market to sell into.
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Except Nvidia is on record saying they are going to control chip supply to keep prices up.
 
clshades said:
Except Nvidia is on record saying they are going to control chip supply to keep prices up.
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Stuff like this is even more reason why I want Intel to succeed with their bid in the GPU Market.
IF you only have 2 players, one can do what you said above, the other might be cheaper but maybe not by a lot and there might be a performance gap.
However with Intel coming in and wanting to steal market share, they will price them right (I hope) and make as many as they can. That will shake up the markets, I think.

-ST
 
Part of the problem with the intel theory is also the problem with the amd stuff. Nvidia has had such a huge gap on the high end top tier stuff for such a long time there isn't 2 players there is only 1. They duke it out in the main stream section ~3060 kind of area but 3070+ is basically a single player market that AMD can't touch. Intel coming in is at best for a long time just going to be a 3rd main stream player and nvidia will likely still solo the enthusiast tier of hardware for a few more years at least unless AMD can surprise everyone.
 
Soultribunal said:
Stuff like this is even more reason why I want Intel to succeed with their bid in the GPU Market.
IF you only have 2 players, one can do what you said above, the other might be cheaper but maybe not by a lot and there might be a performance gap.
However with Intel coming in and wanting to steal market share, they will price them right (I hope) and make as many as they can. That will shake up the markets, I think.

-ST
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I thought the first Intel stuff was already a flop though... or maybe I misunderstood that coverage?
 
Also the fact that they are claiming 2-4x gains when they are comparing cards with DLSS on vs off is already cringe worthy. Like do a DLSS 2.0 vs DLSS 3.0 sure but on VS off then bragging about the gains blahh.



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Lysrin said:
I thought the first Intel stuff was already a flop though... or maybe I misunderstood that coverage?
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Its got issues, but its not dead in the water from my understanding. Lots of crap in the rumor mill, but coinciding with nVidias cash gra...errr...I mean product launch, Intel with Pat tweeted a picture of an A770 just to show they are still in the picture.

As much as I have had some issues with Intel (and their 14++++++++++++++++++++++++ debacle), this is something we need more than anything else, to have a 3rd player in the discrete graphics card market (Heck, even in the CPU market if I'm being honest with myself).

-ST
 
Soultribunal said:
Its got issues, but its not dead in the water from my understanding. Lots of crap in the rumor mill, but coinciding with nVidias cash gra...errr...I mean product launch, Intel with Pat tweeted a picture of an A770 just to show they are still in the picture.

As much as I have had some issues with Intel (and their 14++++++++++++++++++++++++ debacle), this is something we need more than anything else, to have a 3rd player in the discrete graphics card market (Heck, even in the CPU market if I'm being honest with myself).

-ST
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Ah okay. That is good to hear. I paid some attention to the coverage several months back now I think, that seemed gloomy, but I didn't dig too deeply at the time. I'm glad they might still be a contender for all the reasons you said. Thanks ST!
 
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I don't think anyone with a half-decent understanding of the market expected intel to produce anything really all that worthwhile with their first generation of GPUs. Sure we hoped, but I think we all knew it was going to be less than competitive, the real questions is what their 2nd/3rd generation of GPUs would be like, assuming intel doesn't just kill the division.

Kind of like how the first Ryzen chips were fine, but not the market shifting knockout that Ryzen 3 was. Intel's developers and engineers will have a better idea of where their designs fell flat, and their drivers need improving. Hopefully their second gen will be very competitive. Especially at the high end where Nvidia's had basically no real competition for the last 3 generations or so, but I suspect they'll focus on becoming competitive with the XX60 and XX70 cards first and will only make a true XX80/XX90 competitor if they can nail those markets.
 
FreeKnight said:
I don't think anyone with a half-decent understanding of the market expected intel to produce anything really all that worthwhile with their first generation of GPUs. Sure we hoped, but I think we all knew it was going to be less than competitive, the real questions is what their 2nd/3rd generation of GPUs would be like, assuming intel doesn't just kill the division.

Kind of like how the first Ryzen chips were fine, but not the market shifting knockout that Ryzen 3 was. Intel's developers and engineers will have a better idea of where their designs fell flat, and their drivers need improving. Hopefully their second gen will be very competitive. Especially at the high end where Nvidia's had basically no real competition for the last 3 generations or so, but I suspect they'll focus on becoming competitive with the XX60 and XX70 cards first and will only make a true XX80/XX90 competitor if they can nail those markets.
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Pretty much this exactly.

The first cards were always and forever going to be a live Beta with paying players involved. And that's fine. They went from being a CPU MFG to GPU as well and time is what helps iron out those faults.
The good thing is they are not targeting the Halo cards with these designs, but the volume movers. That is actually the most important part of the market they could attempt to overcome. They don't need to be the highest performing. They need to be the old VW of the world, the People's GPU lol.

-ST
 
FreeKnight said:
I don't think anyone with a half-decent understanding of the market expected intel to produce anything really all that worthwhile with their first generation of GPUs. Sure we hoped, but I think we all knew it was going to be less than competitive, the real questions is what their 2nd/3rd generation of GPUs would be like, assuming intel doesn't just kill the division.

Kind of like how the first Ryzen chips were fine, but not the market shifting knockout that Ryzen 3 was. Intel's developers and engineers will have a better idea of where their designs fell flat, and their drivers need improving. Hopefully their second gen will be very competitive. Especially at the high end where Nvidia's had basically no real competition for the last 3 generations or so, but I suspect they'll focus on becoming competitive with the XX60 and XX70 cards first and will only make a true XX80/XX90 competitor if they can nail those markets.
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And it's interesting too to ponder, me not being a GPU hardware engineer, how much of Intel's work has to be completely new but still able to compete. For example do NVIDIA and AMD have lots of patents on the really cool tech, meaning anyone trying to enter the market has to innovate at an ever higher level to produce a competitive product?
 

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