Canadian campaign - the missing question

[FreeKnight]

The Toronto Star has been a rubbish Liberal slanted piece of trash for as long as I can remember. Their obvious bias makes them a rag. Ontario is stuck with the Fiberals because of Toronto as they have most of the votes.

As for we need a change of guard just because, that is quite possibly the most foolish thing I've read yet in this thread. Just wait until the Fiberals and NDP bleed us dry. You think taxes are high now, just wait.

If the NDP somehow gets a majority it's time to move about 400 miles north, it will be the only way to stay away from their communistic policies.

How can you live with that much paranoia, sheesh. If the Tstar is that bad what does it say about 'The Rebel'.....

Communist? Hardly, it's fine to dislike or disagree with the NDP or Liberals, especially if you're raising valid points 'Bunch of commies' isn't one of them. I doubt Muclair, for all his faults, is about to change his title to Chairman anytime soon.

 

[Fudd Rucker]

I thought the cold war was over lmao. Whats up with this "commie" nonsense. Dunno why one would live in this country if they have such a problem with any form of socialism. I am assume you send your kids to private school, and pay out of pocket for medical care here?

 

[b1lk1]

I'm entitled to my opinions just as much as anyone else. The NDP is scary because they take socialism beyond a level that is affordable. I realized Canada is a socialist country long ago, my wife and kids are Canadian and get everything, I live off the grid and take care of myself. I don't have OHIP and just like in the states when I need emergency care I can go get it and they do the same thing as in the states and try and make me pay. I've only been to the hospital once before anyone whines I am taking advantage of their taxes.

I am also 47 years old and have quite a different ideology than today's youth. I don't have the answers to the worlds problems either. I'm not paranoid, I just don't trust ANY government. Honestly, I find Canada a far nicer place to live than the US, I have no intention of returning there any time soon, and once I get my mental health issues under control I will get landed and such. My wife's doctor is awesome, he sneaks me in under her appointments and only charges me $50 a visit when I need prescription refills (i'm on Clonazepam and Zoloft so the doctor needs to record my visits). I have no problem with Canadians and find them far more pleasant than the people from Massachusetts where I am from.

I don't like socialism, I also don't like big government. THose 2 things go hand in hand. But again, these are my views.

I would classify myself as a Libertarian so that should explain my extreme distaste for ANY governmental party. I don't like the con's either, they are just closest to what I can handle.

I avoid TV and avoid hte news even more. I don't care what happens outside Lindsay Ontario because that is the only part of my world that matters. Flame away.

 

[Sagath]

I'm entitled to my opinions just as much as anyone else. The NDP is scary because they take socialism beyond a level that is affordable. I realized Canada is a socialist country long ago, my wife and kids are Canadian and get everything, I live off the grid and take care of myself. I don't have OHIP and just like in the states when I need emergency care I can go get it and they do the same thing as in the states and try and make me pay. I've only been to the hospital once before anyone whines I am taking advantage of their taxes.

I am also 47 years old and have quite a different ideology than today's youth. I don't have the answers to the worlds problems either. I'm not paranoid, I just don't trust ANY government. Honestly, I find Canada a far nicer place to live than the US, I have no intention of returning there any time soon, and once I get my mental health issues under control I will get landed and such. My wife's doctor is awesome, he sneaks me in under her appointments and only charges me $50 a visit when I need prescription refills (i'm on Clonazepam and Zoloft so the doctor needs to record my visits). I have no problem with Canadians and find them far more pleasant than the people from Massachusetts where I am from.

I don't like socialism, I also don't like big government. THose 2 things go hand in hand. But again, these are my views.

I would classify myself as a Libertarian so that should explain my extreme distaste for ANY governmental party. I don't like the con's either, they are just closest to what I can handle.

I avoid TV and avoid hte news even more. I don't care what happens outside Lindsay Ontario because that is the only part of my world that matters. Flame away.

Cool. So you admit to cheating the system you're not willing to participate in. I mean, who paid for your kids to be born? Or the roads you drive on, or the water pumped to your house, or the school system your kids use? How about the cops you call when something goes wrong?

Seriously. Have you even contributed to Canada besides move and breed here? Have you thought at all what you should actually have to pay for under your dream non-socialist world?

Actually. Ignore my obvious flames above. I'm just going to assume you live in a gated private community, with its own power grid, schools, security and health systems and you're 100% in the right.

 

[Fudd Rucker]

Thats pretty much exactly what I was thinking.

Decided to bite my tongue and avoid a spanking here.

 

[b1lk1]

Cool. So you admit to cheating the system you're not willing to participate in. I mean, who paid for your kids to be born? Or the roads you drive on, or the water pumped to your house, or the school system your kids use? How about the cops you call when something goes wrong?

Seriously. Have you even contributed to Canada besides move and breed here? Have you thought at all what you should actually have to pay for under your dream non-socialist world?

Actually. Ignore my obvious flames above. I'm just going to assume you live in a gated private community, with its own power grid, schools, security and health systems and you're 100% in the right.

I moved here with my wife and kids when they were 2 and 3 and my wife wanted to be closer to her family. My mental illness issues prevented me from making wiser decisions and that's why I'm not landed. My wife has always taken care of all my needs, and now I am her caregiver. If I were not here to tale care of her, more of your taxes would be instead of me doing it for free. She is on total disability from her insurance she paid for as a RN. The government is not supporting us any more than any other normal Canadian family. I have always been my children's caregiver as I have always bee a stay at home dad, even in the US, because my wife had a great job.

The US paid for my kids to be born. My oldest son spent 5 weeks in an incubator in NICU in Massachusetts.

"Funny" thing is, if I had done the right thing years ago, the government would be giving me $2K a year because I am my totally disabled wife's caregiver.

Same goes for my abrasive comments about government and such, yesterday was not a good day for me, made lots of people upset without meaning to.

My wife's taxes pay for all our services, no worries there, not sponging for that.

I don't tax the system in any way, I even stated I pay my doctor out of pocket for my care. I had one ER visit when I thought I was having a heart attack. I was forced to pay $400 before a doctor would even see me. It was not a free visit, looking back I may have implied it, but trust me, it was not free. It was at the hospital my wife worked at so they were merciful with me when I was "diagnosed" as being a nutjob. I pay for all my mental health treatment.

I have also been a volunteer at my church and ran a few social programs that provided food for those in need. I didn't do it for the glory, it was just the right thing to do.

Yesterday was a day I should not have been typing I guess, nothing I wrote in many places was taken the way it was meant to.

 

[SugarJ]

Since I was summoned to have a look at this thread, let me just remind everyone that while we encourage an exchange of opinions personal attacks on members are strictly against the board rules. This can be pretty tricky in a political discussion thread, especially because what you feel is a reasoned response to their stated opinion can be interpreted differently by others.

And let me say I'm pretty proud of you guys, reaching 17 pages in a political discussion thread before a reported post is a record. I'm now bowing back out of the thread in order to try to remain impartial in case I'm needed again.

 

[draemn]

And is absolutely normal : torries have the most to lose, as they have stayed on top a long time, maybe it is time to see other style of management as well!

Well, one could also mention that when your government chooses to one day tell media they can't go as freely as they could before and start restricting their access... you're going to have the media backlash. Of course the media loves to Harper bash because he directly tried to stand in their way and restrict their access... not the other way.

And let me say I'm pretty proud of you guys, reaching 17 pages in a political discussion thread before a reported post is a record. I'm now bowing back out of the thread in order to try to remain impartial in case I'm needed again.

+1... yes, we need to simmer down the last couple of pages.

 

[Behemoth-]

if he cut so much how did he add 160 billion in debt?

A few days late but still.. it's obvious that any government would have added the same amount to the debt if they would have been in power at the time of the 2008 crisis. I say that and I dislike the conservatives as much as one can do.

I am not decided yet as for who i'll vote.

I guess I am strongly influenced by my french "side", I'm quite a bit socialist and I like the idea of a more socialist Canada - or just a bit more like it was in the pre-Harper era - but I don't think the NDP has the team to get us there safely. My deputy has been working for the government (not a big fan of government workers.. ) for way too long and he's been a ghost for the past 4 years.

I also would like to see the federal government set a firm direction for the country in a post-fossil resources era. Be it more investments in research, cutting edge technologies and green power sources.. we won't have tar sands forever and already, and already at the moment no one wants to touch them with a 10-feet pole.

 

[chrisk]

This is brutal:
Tory candidates told to avoid debates, media during campaign | Toronto Star

Conservatives running in the federal election have been advised not to attend all-candidates’ meetings or speak to reporters during the campaign, a party source says.
A Conservative insider said Wednesday that most of Stephen Harper’s flag-bearers have “been told no debates and no media.”
The informal edict appears to affect Tory candidates across the country, which explains why so many press interviews are being rebuffed.
“They’re getting pulled out of everything,” the source said, noting even some experienced cabinet ministers are being instructed to avoid candidates’ forums before the Oct. 19 election.
Locally, reporters are finding it almost impossible to reach Joe Daniel, the Conservative MP for Don Valley East, who is running in the new riding of Don Valley North.
“He has his own priorities. Maybe the media might not be his priority as of today but in coming weeks, yes,” said a volunteer at Daniel’s office, who refused to identify himself, after chiding a Star reporter for calling three times to speak to the candidate or a media contact.

Daniel’s campaign told the Ottawa Citizen last week the backbencher wouldn’t be doing any interviews until after the election.
In an email, Conservative spokeswoman Meagan Murdoch said: “Candidates are of course encouraged to talk to voters in their ridings about Prime Minister Harper’s low-tax plan to create jobs and economic growth.”
Andrew MacDougall, Harper’s director of communications from 2012 to 2013, said it’s a better use of Tory candidates’ time to be knocking on doors and talking to voters.
“The number one job of a candidate is to meet voters and identify votes,” MacDougall said Wednesday from London, England.
“Going to an all-candidates’ debate — I think people romanticize the kind of democratic notion of that experience. But it’s also a highly partisan experience where people pack the rooms and I don’t think Conservatives in particular think there are a lot of persuadables there,” he said.

You wonder why the media is so hostile?