discussion US Murder stats why are they so high?

[jibz]

Uh, what? Stolen off a Hells Angel? Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Some low level worker of that HA member would be more than willing to sell you a gun. Homeless people tend not to have guns as they can be easily sold for a decent amount of money. It's not a big problem in the USA either and you're just catastrophizing what happens when guns are available. They are widely available on the street in Canada. Same thing all the anti-gun people predicted in the USA with CCW and it never happened.

Personally I would not work in your environment without a gun but I guess that's up to you.

I've been working in this area for long enough to know that the HA are not selling weapons here(Meth is huge). By bringing a firearm into this environment you are drastically increasing the danger to yourself and others. All employees are trained and certified in conflict prevention and literally the worst thing we can possibly do is introduce a weapon.

I've never needed a weapon nor can I think of a situation were lethal force would be a logical course of action. Somehow personal arms as defense seems like a ridiculously violent solution. When is using a gun against somebody every actually necessary? In extreme cases I could see everybody having guns leading to maybe 5 people saved and 9 people killed and I don't think it's remotely worth it. I'm perfectly happy with our current gun laws and I don't want to see them banned either but, I truly wish they don't become more accessible because you don't need a weapon.

Thankfully in London we only had 9 murders with guns this year and most the shooters were hooligans from Toronto flexing their firearms over poorly chosen words at parties.

 

[clg]

As I said earlier the mental gymnatics of the average libtard must be extraordinary.

Good job at turning this to insults making civil discussion unlikely, I'm done.

You're entitled to your opinions, this country however does not agree with you. Feel free to show yourself to the door to the south where you can have all the rights to your guns you'd like as well as the problems associated with them. We'll manage without you.

 

[AkG]

Ah yes the "no true scotsman" argument. The last bastion of lefties and sad, sad people.

Please go back and read the discussion before entering it. Maybe then people will take YOU more seriously.

 

[Kerry D]

I know, I've been tempted to troll this thread just to see how much leniency the mods are willing to give AKG.

 

[AkG]

More than you think. Less than I think. Want to find out? First troll of the year might be fun.

As for the 6 post wonder. Meh, hard way to spam to 25 in the OFF TOPIC section (protip they dont count). Try spamming in the rest of the forum...you might actually be able to make a BST then.

 

[DkRk]

classic lefty double think

typical lefty double think.

That will never happen as lefties and -as the russians called them - 'useful idiots' would rather attack the symptoms than cure the underlying problems...as it is easier to stick you head in the sand and go "la la la. ban everything. that will cure all the worlds problems".

As I said earlier the mental gymnatics of the average libtard must be extraordinary.

Devolving the issue into a political one is pretty silly, as I'd wager 90% of Canada's conservatives, myself included, would disagree with you.

 

[KaptCrunch]

the gun has rights or just a tool for a job

I know, I've been tempted to troll this thread just to see how much leniency the mods are willing to give AKG.

When confronted with examples of Yosemite Sam behavior that are found lacking in moral value, such as Yosomite Sam's disposition “I’m Yosemite Sam … The meanest, toughest, rip-roarin-est, (powpow....powpow) hombre whatever packed a six shooter!”, many Canadians will attempt to distance themselves from any association with such behavior by claiming that the people who did or do "bad" things aren't "true" Canadians.
Also, when a Canadian runs across other Countrys that don't agree with his/her personal theological belief , he/she can simply claim that the other humans aren't "true" Canadians they are Yosemite Sam.
And since Canadians display the complete unity that guns aren't needed , law has been devised by goverment$ or people.
"No True Scotsman"
This rationalization comes in very handy to tidy up history and absolve Christianity of having any responsibility for unsavory or distasteful actions by people who proclaim that they are Christians.
For example, the Spanish Inquisition was performed in the name of Jesus by devout, God-fearing, self proclaimed Christians who were doing God's will.
But, according to Christians who find the activities of the Inquisition distasteful, those Christian Inquisitors weren't really "true" Christians.

 

[jibz]

The fact is I simply don't trust the general public and often times even authorized forces with the judgement call on whether lethal force is necessary or not. The only time I can justify lethal force is when somebody is a lethal threat to myself and or others, which is thankfully so infrequent and unlikely I can't justify carrying lethal force in the urban environment I live in. Maybe if you live in a bad neighborhood in Toronto shoot or be shot might be a more reasonable excuse but I doubt it.

 

[Kerry D]

unk:. Sure, let's. You say several things that I find silly. First of all, if it's a tool like any other what do you do with your guns. I'd argue that most of the time guns are somewhere between toy and security blanket in an urban environment. I'm a farmer/rancher and they are a tool I would gladly never use, but have to on occasion. I've also registered my firearms without the paranoia about the "gubment tak'n mah gunz 'way" because why would they bother. If they were going to do that then they'd better clear all the deadfall from the bushes, take my forge and all the high carbon steel on the farm too because I could make a knife or other edged weapon. But then what would the army move on?

I don't know what you do for a living (I have something like architect/engineer/draftsman in my head, but that may have been someone else's post) but when I've talked to machinists about what it would take to make a nice and effective large bore air gun it'd take a few man hours without blueprints. That would be a single shot slide loader with a very simple firing mechanism, no repeating, no safety. No rifling either. While firearms are often elegantly simple with regard to their mechanism, they also tend to be intricate with low tolerances, which takes time.

Ps. If there's any really weird or misplaced words I'm sorry, the new laptop hasn't arrived so I'm posting from my PlayBook.

 

[Kerry D]

Kapt, I'm not sure why you replied to me, my first post in this thread was a meant as a reply to clg, I know I should have replied with a quote, but I didn't; sorry 'bout that.