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Vancouver Violence

cadaveca said:
Yes, I am an extremist, with zero-tolerance for someone having a lack of balls to become a decent, productive memeber of society. My posts on this issue may seem short and glib, but having fully felt the effects of "heavy" drug addiction in my life, my brother, neighbour across the street, friends, and other family, you can guarantee I've given this issue ALOT of thought.

I have 4 kids. Everyone tells me that they are great kids, well behaved...but when I tell people that my youngest, who is only 18-months old, regularily gets punished(time-outs) for misbehaving....you should see the jaws drop. "Oh, he's just a baby, he doesn't know any better!" While looking at me like I'm the worst person ever. So, right, he doesn't know better. So I am teaching him. Like you should have done with your kids, who don't listen to you...I speak in a deep voice, my kids listen, and I've never laid a hand on them...


You don't solve issues by being complacent. You must act, and follow through, with all the effort you can. BC authorities complain they have a lack of officers to be able to do a proper job...well, thin the ranks of the drug dealers, and that job will become easier, and not require the same effort...

But like I said, thier whole direction is wrong. touting 5 arrests in February, when you are refering to arrests made in January and the previous November, merely make you look complacent. I don't know if anyone else here noticed that blurb of news either early last week, or late the week before, but it became obvious to me that the police administration in BC needs a changing of the guard. I then had several discussions with people smarter than I about how to deal with the problem(mind you, we were drinking), and the death sentence was one thing that resounded again and again. the smaller guys, addicts, get jail. If you are selling drugs for profit...profiting off of destroying other people's lives, you get death.

Remember, these addicts have family, who are also affected by that drug use. We need top-to-bottom punishment, with the bottom-end getting little punishment, and the top getting thier heads chopped off.
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I will have to pull up the numbers again, somewhere in one of my text books.
But if you look at the USA, in states where the death penalty is still in effect

The threat of death does VERY little to deter crime, and most capital punishment states actually have higher crime rates than comparable non cap states.

Also the legal red tape required to sentence a person to death is ENORMOUS in the USA... imagine in Canada where it is difficult enough to get a person in prison in the first place.
Not to mention the minorities rule Canada (not racial minorities, but activists).
We would have human rights groups marching on parliament hill regularly, with an enormous cost associated.

I want tougher sentencing for dealers to - addicts are only a part of the problem, but they are not the cause of the gang violence. VERY few if any gang members actually USE drugs. The UN Gang will NOT instate a member who is a drug user.
Far tougher sentences for those caught is in order - the problem still exists though..... how do you catch them in the first place?
 
How? Very easy. Gonna take some firepower though, and a whole lot of people, all in the same instant. Start taking thier homes, thier property...like I said, the addicts deserve little punishment, but those that are NOT addicts...those making the money, need WAAAY stiffer sentences. I figure it would take an operation costing about $25-$35 million, TBH. Yes, we even discussed cost.

Herion charges are pretty hard already, but the fact that different schedule 1 substances have differing penalties means that the gov feels some drugs are worse than others...any man-made drug, whether crack, meth, or heroin, should all have the same sentence. NO 2-5 years. WTF! 15 years! No variation on sentence!


I mean, you play it up that the police don't know who the top guys are...oh, yeah, that's right...no evidence to charge them...It's not hard to go and pick them up...the judicial system is the big flaw here.
 
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the judicial system is the big flaw here.
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and Immigration!
What happens if a Canadian gets pinched in SE Asia, China, Mexico, Middle East or Indonesia with drugs.....? We all know the answer to that....does it deter Canadians from contemplating "carrying" or "transporting" drugs in those Countries...you better believe it does!
 
its not that easy to catch Drug dealers, drug addicts, or gang members
its not like the police can just go into any house they suspect a gang member is in there with Rifles and Pistols

they need to have some proof and need to be issued a warrent
by the time they catch proofs and is issued a warrent
more gang shootings would have happened
 
howdid said:
its not that easy to catch Drug dealers, drug addicts, or gang members
its not like the police can just go into any house they suspect a gang member is in there with Rifles and Pistols

they need to have some proof and need to be issued a warrent
by the time they catch proofs and is issued a warrent
more gang shootings would have happened
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And therein comes my marshal law idea. The cops know who all these people are.
 
You guys do understand that if we had never cracked down on opium we wouldn't have heroin, if there wasn't such a large crackdown on cocaine we wouldn't have crack cocaine.. I'd much rather be around people that are puffing a little opium or snorting some blow... They weren't nearly as deadly as the designer drugs we have now...
Simple fact, the harder we crack down the worse it gets..
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see my kids doing drugs, , but like I said in an earlier post they are surrounded by them and they are easier to get than booze.
 
I guess you don't know who Rick Ross is? Cracking down on drugs didn't make them worse...government agents making deals with drugs to fund militia is.

And I don't know about your neighbourhood, but there is very little "hardcore" drug use here where I live. I'm sure many people smoke pot(I've smelt it on too many walks at night), but there are so few rental homes here that drug users just don't get in...maybe the high-up sellers, but not the users.

And it's because as a community we act to remove issues like party houses/bad tenants...

You wanna be complacent, 3 of 7? EXPECT your kids to do drugs. You either work towards a goal, or you work against it.

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
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-Edmund Burke

Edmund Burke - Wikiquote
 
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You wanna be complacent, 3 of 7? EXPECT your kids to do drugs.
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I don't really think that is fair....look at the picture....:
1. Its perfectly acceptable to have kids around at a BBQ while the adults drink alcohol, why do they drink alcohol....because it "Socially Acceptable" and they get a "buzz", but its "ok", because its also "legal".
2. The same adults light up a joint.......wwhhooo...taboo...."its bad", it will lead to Crack, Heroin, Meth.....etc etc etc...

Its a well known fact that the majority of "Hardcore Drug" users, as in Crackheads, Methheads and Junkies all started out thier path to destruction experimenting with thier first drug of choice....that being Alcohol!
But Alcohol is "ok"...because we as a Society have deemed it that.

Completely arrogant and hypocritical attitude to deem Alcohol ok and Pot bad............honestly....where are our morals.
 
cadaveca said:
I guess you don't know who Rick Ross is? Cracking down on drugs didn't make them worse...government agents making deals with drugs to fund militia is.

And I don't know about your neighbourhood, but there is very little "hardcore" drug use here where I live. I'm sure many people smoke pot(I've smelt it on too many walks at night), but there are so few rental homes here that drug users just don't get in...maybe the high-up sellers, but not the users.

And it's because as a community we act to remove issues like party houses/bad tenants...

You wanna be complacent, 3 of 7? EXPECT your kids to do drugs. You either work towards a goal, or you work against it.

-Edmund Burke

Edmund Burke - Wikiquote
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I think we both want the same thing it's just that I'm a realist and the war on drugs has been a complete and utter failure..
BTW My oldest kids are in their 20's now with kids of their own, I am anything but complacent with the younger ones, but I EXPECT them to come in contact with drugs.
 
Legalization will never happen if not only for the fact that in order to get it legalized you need to have drug users a majority in parliment. And this will never happen because drugs users are for the most part so idiotic that even other drug using idiots would not vote for them. There's a reason they call it "dope". It turns you into a fricken moron.
 
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