discussion 13900k and 7950x trading blows and I love to see it

[Dwayne]

It is interesting to see the difference in reviews.

 

[JD]

Can you expand on that point a bit more? I did a spot check on Gigabyte Z690 Elite AX (DDR4 vs DDR5 is about $10) vs X670 and the price diff is about $50. So I guess you could get the DDR4 version and re-use existing RAM to save money. Looking at i5-13600KF, it's the same price as R5-7600X so technically the 7600X is better value since it does have an iGPU compare to the KF.

I think it was in Jay's video, he mentioned their AMD setups are using EXPO RAM at DDR5-6000. Whereas the Intel setup was running on DDR5-5000. That would be a bit of a cost difference too perhaps if AMD needs 6000MHz to run at full speed and Intel only needs 5000MHz. I still hate video reviews as it not easy to compare these finer details as readily as text...

But still, the i5-13600K is somewhere around 15% on average faster than the 7600X in productivity tasks? They seem similar in gaming I suppose, but still the advantage goes to Intel. Even if they are equally priced, Intel seems the better choice?

I'm guessing Bond's comment was on the top end i9 though, it beats the 7950X in the majority of tests and costs less.

 

[moocow]

Took a snip of the i5-13600K review from GN:



So my problem with this comparison is that GN didn't include the 13600K with a DDR5 board and memory. They also didn't do a comparison between B660 with DDR4 vs DDR5 to show what kind of performance there is between DDR4 3200 and DDR5 5600.

 

[Sagath]

Took a snip of the i5-13600K review from GN:

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So my problem with this comparison is that GN didn't include the 13600K with a DDR5 board and memory. They also didn't do a comparison between B660 with DDR4 vs DDR5 to show what kind of performance there is between DDR4 3200 and DDR5 5600.

This is REALLY disingenuous of a comparison. Especially coming from GN.

First, no one is buying a BNIB 5800x3d setup like that. They're upgrading from 2 or 3 series zen, and keeping their old board/ram.
Second, the intel is using 'old' ram, and not DDR5.

And this is coming from a guy who thinks if he was building a system today, it would be with the 13600k. I'm VERY impressed with it.

 

[moocow]

Had to look at Anantech's charts as part of a deeper look (I only listened in on GN while working). 13600K could beat both 5800x3d and 7600x in certain areas. I'm just slightly miffed that Intel is still doing 2 gen max support for their motherboard (Z790 is very pointless in my view). If you are running a server or HTPC, the fact that you have to buy a new board to upgrade is not much a problem. Personally, I just couldn't justify getting a new platform, I sniped a 5800X here for $250 and for another $350, I can get an used ITX board for my 1600AF and upgrade my X470 from 16GB to 32GB. With a 3060Ti, I think I can still sustain 80 FPS in most games on a 1920x1200 monitor?

 

[clshades]

Whats the better value long term though? AMD imo.

 

[ipaine]

Have only watched the GN 13900 video so far but with regards to price I have not seen one thing I think is very important with regards to AMD vs Intel this gen.

Reusability - in both directions, past and future.

So yes Intel wins easily with startup costs with older (ish) 690 boards and DDR4, but the 13th gen is the last in that socket and come 14th gen you will need all new board/ram/cpu.

AMD on the other hand is certainly more costly to get into, new X670E board, DDR5 EXPO ram and the CPU. But unlike the Intel, we are looking at being able to keep those into at least 2025. So 9000 series or even another gen past that. So get that good board and good DDR5-6000 expo ram and a 7900x/7950x and then come 2 or 3 gens you only need to upgrade the cpu.

So I think a lot depends on the personal upgrade cycle a person does. So look at it with a 3-4 year outlook and then determine what works the best.

Either way aside from the power usage I like the competition we are seeing, and do hope that some prices drop at least a little, mostly the motherboard prices cause they are what are skyrocketing.

Just looked at MemEx pricing,

So cheapest 7600X system:
$849.97 Gigabyte B650M DS3H and Corsair DDR5-5200 CL40 32GB

Cheapest 13600K:
$729.97 Gigabyte B660M DS3H and Corsair DDR4-3200 CL16 32GB

What I would actually consider buying:
Intel 13900K:
Asus ROG STRIX Z790-F and Trident Z5 RGB 32GB DDR5 6000MHz CL36
$1694.97

AMD 7950X:
Asus ROG STRIX X670E-F and Corsair Vengeance 32GB DDR5-6000 CL36
$1904.97 (or $1704.97 with the 7900X)

All in all a definite difference in the top end, but as said before the platform has a much longer life with AMD, if you are the type to upgrade every couple gens.

 

[Lysrin]

HardwareUnboxed video (linked below to the Final Thoughts part) certainly didn't make me want a 13900K. 20 sec to get to TJ max with a 360 AIO in a 21 degree room is pretty daunting! I haven't watched/read anything about the 13700K yet, other than this thread, so maybe it makes more sense?

With prices where they are, as several of you have said, I like the upgrade path for the AMD 7000 series and AM5.

Edit: Ah, there is their 13700K review. Must more feasible and viable option compared to the 7700X. Again, linked to the Final Thoughts.

 

[Jokester]

Anyone who grabbed a 5800x3d for gaming rig isn't unhappy

 

[Lysrin]

Anyone who grabbed a 5800x3d for gaming rig isn't unhappy
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Absolutely! They say that in the 13900K HardwareUnboxed video I linked. Even though AM4 is on its last gen, that is an awesome CPU to base a system around for the price. And dropping it into an AM4 system you already have... Priceless!