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13900k and 7950x trading blows and I love to see it

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I have never considered an Asus hero a mainstream board just based on its price I would say it falls into the HEDT, also I have always considered the top retail chips to be HEDT too IMHO, not everyone is going to be buying that chip but some will, when you then consider the performance that you get from them it was not that long ago that it would cost you 5-10 times that to get the same performance
 
When everyone was gobbling up 5800X3D chips I considered swapping my 5900X for one, but suspect that it's not going to net any improvements on my end (or at least not enough to justify buying one and selling my 5900X used).

Like most, I'm just glad to see some competition. As consumers we desperately need to start seeing downward price pressure on products.
 
gingerbee said:
I have never considered an Asus hero a mainstream board just based on its price I would say it falls into the HEDT, also I have always considered the top retail chips to be HEDT too IMHO, not everyone is going to be buying that chip but some will, when you then consider the performance that you get from them it was not that long ago that it would cost you 5-10 times that to get the same performance
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Regarldess of where it fits in the lineup, this gen has a 30% uptick in price compared to last years model, which itself had an uptick of 26%. Thats crazy.
 
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I didn't say I was a fan but that has been the trend over the last few years, here's hoping we can get back to come good pricing wars cause I am hoping the same thing will happen once the 7000 series GPUs hit the market IE trade blows with Nvidia, cause I would love to see pricing wars on both CPU/GPU.
 
crazyea said:
Regarldess of where it fits in the lineup, this gen has a 30% uptick in price compared to last years model, which itself had an uptick of 26%. Thats crazy.
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What isn't up 50% in price since 2020 though? :rolleyes:

Anything chip related is only going to further increase with China being cut off too, North American workers cost a lot more and they need to build a lot of fabs to increase capacity to match. There also is significantly less workforce in North America than China too (crazy how a continent has less people than a country).

I'm hoping AMD and MS can optimize things a bit though to gain performance since it sounds like there's some bugs at the moment. However with Intel undercutting AMD on price, I think AMD has to cut their prices to match.
 
JD said:
What isn't up 50% in price since 2020 though? :rolleyes:

Anything chip related is only going to further increase with China being cut off too, North American workers cost a lot more and they need to build a lot of fabs to increase capacity to match. There also is significantly less workforce in North America than China too (crazy how a continent has less people than a country).

I'm hoping AMD and MS can optimize things a bit though to gain performance since it sounds like there's some bugs at the moment. However with Intel undercutting AMD on price, I think AMD has to cut their prices to match.
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I understand the how and the why. It doesnt mean I have to be happy about it. Everything on the planet is increasing at exorbitant rates except for the wages people need to buy the things. It's not sustainable.
 
Bond007 said:
1. Raptor lake does seem very good. And while I personally think Raptor Lake and Zen 4 are equally good products, intel has destroyed AMD on pricing.
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Can you expand on that point a bit more? I did a spot check on Gigabyte Z690 Elite AX (DDR4 vs DDR5 is about $10) vs X670 and the price diff is about $50. So I guess you could get the DDR4 version and re-use existing RAM to save money. Looking at i5-13600KF, it's the same price as R5-7600X so technically the 7600X is better value since it does have an iGPU compare to the KF.

My pretend R5-7600X build
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 4.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($409.00 @ Canada Computers)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($179.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X670 AORUS ELITE AX (rev. 1.0) ATX AM5 Motherboard ($389.99 @ Canada Computers)
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5200 CL40 Memory ($184.99 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $1163.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-10-20 14:43 EDT-0400

My pretend i5-13600K build DDR5
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($439.99 @ Best Buy Canada)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($179.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z690 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($364.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5200 CL40 Memory ($184.99 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $1169.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-10-20 14:46 EDT-0400

My pretend i5-13600K build DDR4 reuse
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($439.99 @ Best Buy Canada)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($179.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z690 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($349.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $969.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-10-20 14:49 EDT-0400

So unless you are re-using DDR4 and a compatible cooler, the cost looks very much the same. Two points of note, I can't find a Gigabyte Aorus line for Intel without over the $400 mark and both my boards in the i5 example are MSI Tomahawk not Gigabyte.
 
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