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Intel is Screwed...they are so screwed! GO AMD GO!!!

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I agree with you to a point FK..Intel has a massive portfolio of technology products compared to AMD, so they'll stay healthy even if their CPU's falter...but it could become a major hit to their brand in both business and consumer worlds, if they don't have a true competing product. if AMD keeps their timeline on track so the following 2 generations after Zen 3 still provide substantial gains, Intel will be left behind in the performance world which will leave them with a bad smell for years.
 
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If push comes to shove and they really start to feel threatened they'll throw enough money at the problem to make it go away.
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I think that is basically what the CEO was admitting to. They are willing to take the "shame" of outsourcing to TSMC (or Samsung or whoever) to keep on top and they will do so if needed. This is HUGE and why the world is taking notice.

A big part of this has been brewing for a while. They have started to decouple process from tech. Which is why Rocket lake is able to be on 14nm not 10..

Just imagine for a moment Rocket lake (or any new uArch) was about to come out on TSMC mature 7nm node. The headlines would likely be more "Oh :poop: AMD is screwed". That could be next year...

*edit: uArch not IPC ;)
 
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Yes they definitely are. If they can make big inroads into Mobile and more importantly servers they will be golden for a while. They are at 5% +- in the server space. Another 5-10% is a massive increase in profit for them.

With all the hammering Intel based laptops are taking in the press, especially with the "This would be perfect if it had a Ryzen 4800H instead of a Toaster" OEMs are going to have to take notice or their sales will be at jeopardy vs the cheaper/faster/cooler/longer running AMD versions.
 
To be honest we're still selling way more Intel than AMD. Intel has the edge still for top applications of many of my clients. Solidworks, AutoCAD, Revit, Photoshop etc all perform better on Intel currently. Until AMD can get their clockspeeds or IPC even better, that will remain to be Intel for us. That being said obviously for applications where it can fully use the CPU's Threads, high end Ryzen builds or Threadripper are quite popular, for those in the VFX/Design industry.
 
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To be honest we're still selling way more Intel than AMD. Intel has the edge still for top applications of many of my clients. Solidworks, AutoCAD, Revit, Photoshop etc all perform better on Intel currently. Until AMD can get their clockspeeds or IPC even better, that will remain to be Intel for us. That being said obviously for applications where it can fully use the CPU's Threads, high end Ryzen builds or Threadripper are quite popular, for those in the VFX/Design industry.
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that's because AMD is still the new kid on the block, despite being an older company than Intel. AMD hasn't had a competitive product for over 10 years and nobody knew if all the hype for Ryzen was based on reality. we're several generations in and everyone can see that Ryzen literally does everything better than Intel's CPU's aside from highest clock speed giving them the IPC edge in single threaded applications. but...3 generations in and we can see that every market sector is bringing in AMD solutions now. everyone waited to make sure it wasn't a fluke or that AMD would run into issues like Intel did with their manufacturing tech.

essentially AMD has proven themselves again so hw / software is coming on board to support their products now.
 
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that's because AMD is still the new kid on the block, despite being an older company than Intel. AMD hasn't had a competitive product for over 10 years and nobody knew if all the hype for Ryzen was based on reality. we're several generations in and everyone can see that Ryzen literally does everything better than Intel's CPU's aside from highest clock speed giving them the IPC edge in single threaded applications. but...3 generations in and we can see that every market sector is bringing in AMD solutions now. everyone waited to make sure it wasn't a fluke or that AMD would run into issues like Intel did with their manufacturing tech.

essentially AMD has proven themselves again so hw / software is coming on board to support their products now.
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Yea I believe that they Could get there, but at this moment right now, the Intels are the faster/better solution for these specific apps. Should AMD push ahead on the benchmarks of these apps, of course that will change how I build machines for those clients. So, for now, they're not screwed, yet. lol
 
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Yea I believe that they Could get there, but at this moment right now, the Intels are the faster/better solution for these specific apps. Should AMD push ahead on the benchmarks of these apps, of course that will change how I build machines for those clients. So, for now, they're not screwed, yet. lol
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I wonder if AMD will do an add campaign pointing out how old / stagnant Intel's CPU lines are and have gotten. get AMD into the social mind as the solution to everyone's computing needs.

Intel has had a decade of working with other vendors and software developers to create solutions / platforms for everything while AMD didn't, so nobody paid attention or worked on optimizing tech / software for them. they are now...but have only been doing it for the last 3 years, meaning AMD still has a long way to go to get platforms / solutions out there so Intel isn't the only real choice.
 
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To be honest we're still selling way more Intel than AMD. Intel has the edge still for top applications of many of my clients. Solidworks, AutoCAD, Revit, Photoshop etc all perform better on Intel currently. Until AMD can get their clockspeeds or IPC even better, that will remain to be Intel for us. That being said obviously for applications where it can fully use the CPU's Threads, high end Ryzen builds or Threadripper are quite popular, for those in the VFX/Design industry.
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That's why I don't think intel's in as bad shape as the enthusiasts like to say. Intel is the brand most people think of when it comes to chips, and while they're not doing hot right now, the enthusiast market is a fraction of a fraction. Obviously if they don't get their act together in 2-3 years we could be having a very different discussion but for now they're still an elephant facing off against a dog.

I hope AMD keeps its momentum, and more competition is better for everyone, but it's hardly big trouble for them. Probably the biggest question will be if they lose ground for another year, maybe two, how the shareholders will react and if there's a push to change up intel's executive/board.
 

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